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Re: Eccentric Wheel Building

Posted: 29 Dec 2007, 9:19pm
by pete75
PenzancePirate wrote:Does anyone know anything about building eccentric wheels ?

David


Just a thought but isn't it slightly eccentric to want to build eccentirc wheels? :D

Eccentric wheels

Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 2:25pm
by Kings
Reading the replies and your initial post reminded me that I have a pair of 26 inch wheels that I had made up for a fun bike. They were fitted to a frame that also had opposite steering and it was for me at least a challenge.
I am not sure what condition the wheels and frame are in, I will have to have a look. All the spokes I think were taken from standard, but you do need a lot of different sizes to do it without cutting your own threads.

Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 5:39pm
by hamster
Rolled threads are stronger as the grain is not interrupted across the thread edge, also a hardened surface is preserved.

Also, the bottom of the thread has a radius so hass less stress concentration for cracking of the thread off the bolt.

So there are very good reasons for a rolled thread on a spoke which is thin and has cyclic stresses.

Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 6:47pm
by stoobs
hamster wrote:Rolled threads are stronger as the grain is not interrupted across the thread edge, also a hardened surface is preserved.

Also, the bottom of the thread has a radius so hass less stress concentration for cracking of the thread off the bolt.

So there are very good reasons for a rolled thread on a spoke which is thin and has cyclic stresses.


Correct, and the surface finish is better than tapped or turned. The grains and forging flow lines are changed so that the orientation of potential defects is more favourable for the forces applied, and this reduces the potential for fatigue failure. In this case, the forces in the actual thread are shear forces.

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Rolled on the left, tapped on the right.

Also, from a cleaning and removal point of view, which can be difficult, no excess swarf or chips are created. These can also act as stress concentrators and crack initiators if present.

The surface is work-hardened, so strength is not just preserved, it is enhanced, and typically has a compressive stress which resists the cyclic forces which cause fatigue. This is similar to the surface hardening, say, of compressor blades in aircraft engines, which can be peened to induce compressive surface stresses and improve fatigue properties.

The reduced shank diameter is not an issue, as the weakest part of a threaded fastener is the minor diameter within the threads, where the work-hardening has occurred - it is also the same diameter!

The cited example of Grand Prix is probably because of more traditional "prejudices" amongst designers, and that it is easier to turn or tap threads in a jobshop environment, where production quantities are low, than to also have a complete range of rolling dies/tools. The associated time-consuming set-up of a rolling die-set for only a few parts versus going with a manual die could well make it wasteful of resources.

Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 6:50pm
by Mick F
Very good info on spokes, folks!

The trouble is, the OP was talking about wheels for fun and not for serious riding. Tapped would do for eccentric wheels, I'm sure.

Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 6:54pm
by stoobs
Mick F wrote:Very good info on spokes, folks!

The trouble is, the OP was talking about wheels for fun and not for serious riding. Tapped would do for eccentric wheels, I'm sure.


Assuming he's not going off-road, doing trials, or major drop-offs, correct!